[triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...

Robert Geiger robert at geigers.net
Mon Apr 2 17:39:07 UTC 2007

1 - Zettai is going out of business any day now....

2 - I have a Fedora "Virtual Server" on GoDaddy that works perfectly.  I 
installed Webmin, Plone, etc., and it runs like a garden hose and it's 
fast.  It really works great, and I have 10 plone sites on one server. 
It's up all the time, and I have had ZERO problems with it.  I get free 
backup space for the entire "drive" and it costs about $40/month.

3 - Getting a server of any kind is requirements driven.  If you need 
huge bandwidth, high throughput and availability, rollover backups, 
redundancy, et al, then probably, virtual servers are not for you.  If 
you want a very simple solution for working on sites, development team 
efforts, low to medium bandwidth, easy maintenance and backups, then 
maybe a virtual server will do ya fine.

4 - Being in the "hardware business" so to speak, is a real questionable 
thing, when you can let others handle that stuff (and pay them to do it, 
yes, you get what you pay for in that respect).  You don't want to have 
to rebuild that box/os/etc. just to get your site back up and running 
after a hardware failure... unless that's your thing.


Chris Calloway wrote:
> Dave Powell wrote:
>> hey guys...
>> ...just had a friend pass along this info about Python hosting...
>> http://www.fatcow.com
>> ...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price 
>> point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is 
>> right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be choosers ;o) ....
> That's python as in straight up mod_python or python CGI on virtual 
> hosting. Very 1997. It won't run zope or plone very easily if at all. 
> Pretty much any reseller can give you the same deal. There are literally 
> thousands of $8/month "deals." mod_python and python CGI have been 
> pretty standard offerings on any host for a decade. And pretty much 
> everybody who gives you that deal is a reseller. Your site will run on 
> the same server as 100 others and your site will be periodically 
> unavailable several times a day as one of those sites sucks down all the 
> resources, even when "jailed" or "quota'd" or "quarantined."
> Repeat after me: "You get what you pay for. Seven times more so when 
> hosting."
> OK, now repeat that at least fifty more times to yourself. I know it 
> won't do any good. But you can go out and prove it to yourself over a 
> number of years otherwise. The good thing about plone is, it helps you 
> find this out sooner rather than later, in case you can't remember:
> You get what you pay for.
> The more you ignore this, the more pain you will suffer. That said, even 
> though this has been answered in our archives more than once, it may 
> bear repeating:
> Free Plone sites: http://www.objectis.org/ http://myplone.objectis.org/
> Has been there since Plone 1. Run by Pilot Systems and Blue Dynamics 
> (who hosted two Plon Conferences). Can't use your own domain name yet 
> because they don't want to support it. Can only use the products they 
> have installed. So your site customizations will be TTW, not a site 
> product. But they have a great number of installed products. In fact, if 
> they don't have a product installed, you might question if you'd want to 
> use it. If there is a product you want they don't have installed, they 
> will install it if they can determine if it will be trouble-free.
> You have to justify why you need a free Plone host to Objectis. "I want 
> to learn Plone" is not a justification. You can do that on your laptop. 
> They want reasons like "I'd like to host a Plone site I have already 
> developed which will help coordinate volunteers for my bike marathon for 
> charity." They filter out bozo's and wannabe's so their resources can go 
> to people who deserve it.
> Abbreviated list of plone hosting: http://plone.net/hosting-providers
> Some obvious omissions from that list (as plone.net is apparently a bad 
> joke):
> http://sixfeetup.com (my personal favorite and Camp5 attendee)
> http://www.jazkarta.com/services/hosting (Camp5 attendee; reseller)
> http://zettai.net/ (PloneCon and ZPUGDC sponsor; hosts OxFam America)
> http://www.ingenihosting.com/ (freakishly hardened; good plone community 
> citizen)
> http://www.siteground.com/plone-hosting.htm
> http://www.highspeedrails.com/
> http://www.webfaction.com/ (zope, plone, trac, subversion, django, 
> turbogears - pick and choose; some people love it, some people hate it, 
> webfaction is the new pink)
> http://www.amaze-solutions.com/hosting-new (hosts plone.org)
> http://reflab.it/services/hosting (Amaze reseller; co-host of PloneCon 
> 2007 in Napoli)
> http://interlix.com/services/zope-plone-hosting
> Don't shun hosts outside the U.S.. There are good reasons to host your 
> site outside of the U.S. these days.
> This may help:
> http://plone.org/documentation/faq/where-can-i-host-my-plone-site
> http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/plone-system-resources-for-a-small-site
> In looking at those, I would say, you will find serious limitations and 
> pain whenever hosting an application server (whether zope or a java 
> server or whatever) on virtual hosting. It is almost always worth it to 
> get your own dedicated server. Ask Mark and Rob how they are liking 1&1.
> Also:
> http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/HostingProviders


Robert Geiger

Have a great day!
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