2 for October? Re: [triangle-zpug] September meeting

Geoff Davis geoff at geoffdavis.net
Tue Sep 27 17:52:12 CEST 2005

Sorry to hear about the cancellation.  I volunteer to give a short talk.
Maybe something short on psyco, and/or using using emacs for debugging
and/or SPE.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: triangle-zpug-bounces at python.net [mailto:triangle-zpug-
> bounces at python.net] On Behalf Of Chris Calloway
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:02 AM
> To: triangle-zpug at python.net
> Subject: Re: 2 for October? Re: [triangle-zpug] September meeting
> T. Bryan wrote:
> > It might make the most sense just to cancel the meeting.
> So, here's the deal. The meeting is "canceled." That is, most of the
> regulars aren't showing up. I'll be at Phillips 328 until 7:30 to see if
> anybody shows up. If someone does, well, we can chat. But we'll put off
> the main PloneCon recap until October, which might be better, seeing as
> how none of the PloneCon presentations have been posted yet, as usual.
> So nothing of great import/decision making will occur this evening, even
> if anyone shows up. If anyone does show up, I'm going to suggest
> adjourning to a local pub and having informal discussion.
> The next meeting should fall on Tuesday, October 25. Unfortunately, that
> falls in the middle of an ocean tech conference in Baltimore at which I
> have some presentation coordination responsibilities (Ben are you going
> to OOSTech?). So if the October meeting is at UNC, someone else will
> have to take the lead in hosting it, or it can follow normal rotation to
> NCSU. Takers?
> One thing I really need to report to you about PloneCon, however, is the
> GoldEgg Initiative:
> http://www.goldeggstack.org/
> GoldEgg is both a funding initiative and project guidance. It is seeking
> to coordinate the Plone "stack" development. That is, time releases of
> Plone with releases of CMF and Zope and maybe even Python. There is to
> be a coordinated release of Plone, CMF, and Zope every six months hence.
> The idea is that if Plone needs certain functions in the CMF, then
> coordinate to put them in the CMF instead of in Plone. If Zope3 is
> bringing interfaces, views, and events to the table, then use those in
> the CMF instead of reinventing the wheel. If there is Zope3 technology
> that can be backported to Zope2, whether through the Five project or
> through the CMFonFive project, or through CMF2 development, then let's
> coordinate that. As well, making this happen in open source requires
> money. In order to get CMF2 out the door, maybe some key developers need
> funding outside of their usual client business. Cignex has put $50K into
> GoldEgg One, which is funding three sprints for a November minor dot
> release of Zope2/Zope3/CMF/Plone. GoldEgg Two, of which TriZPUG may be a
> part, needs $10K of funding.
> Now, when I say funding, I mean to say *raising* funds, not going out
> with a tin cup and asking for funds. That is, ask not what Plone can do
> for you, ask what you can do for Plone. In the process, you can stay
> right on the leading edge of Zope/CMF/Plone development and get access
> to the very top developers like Jim Fulton and Tres Seaver at your
> sprints.
> The reason for all this is that many big enterprises are wanting to bet
> on Plone and Zope3. When I say enterprises, I may not necessarily mean
> for-profit businesses, either. I may mean, the UN wants to deploy 1200
> websites on Plone, but needs some quality assurance and roadmap
> assurance in doing so. They can get that by funding GoldEgg.
> I want to raise awareness of this initiative, so that if your enterprise
> needs such assurances, you'll know how to advise your enterprise on how
> to proceed.
> For instance, PloneBoard was just revived and ported to Plone 2.1 with
> the use of Five and Zope3 interfaces and views. It's just a BBS at this
> point. No email in or out. In order to do email with PloneBoard, we need
> proper portal_subscriptions (i.e., not the portal_subscriptions tool in
> CMFBoard, which tries to implement a whole new framework in Plone
> instead of the CMF). Portal_subscriptions properly belongs in the CMF,
> not Plone. So there is some CMF work to do to get email subscriptions
> into PloneBoard. In order for the CMF to properly implement
> portal_subscriptions, we need to make use of Zope3 Events. GoldEgg One
> is polishing Zope3 Events and bringing Zope3 Events into CMF2, so
> portal_subscriptions can work properly. So you can see how this all
> works together. The end customer simply know that they want PloneBoard
> to have email subscriptions. They can fund GoldEgg, which will insure
> that the development is coordinated properly at the correct layer in the
> stack, and quality assurance is the result (and if you've ever tried to
> use CMFBoard, then you know how badly this quality assurance is needed).
> And what you can end up with is a generic portal_subscriptions tool that
> can work for all kinds of content and not just PloneBoard.
> If you are in a large enterprise that is using Plone, you need to be
> figuring out how your future needs are going to be met by open source,
> and thereby how to fund open source. I know at least for UNC, the Plone
> people at UNC need to be putting heads together to see how this fits
> into the Renaissance Computing Initiative (with Duke and NCSU) and if
> the proper eyeballs can be directed to take a look at this. Which is all
> goodness as far as I'm concerned because I'm tired of there not being
> anything at UNC like the Oregon State University Open Source Labs while
> UNC funds the largest open source repository in the world. It's like
> saying, well, you can produce the code and we'll hold it for you. No, I
> think we need to be involved in the production of code as well. Open
> source doesn't have to be a charity event. In order to develop quality
> in the Python based code stacks, we have to promote a meritocracy, with
> resources flowing to quality producers, instead of leaving it up to
> chance and hobbyism and the random client need being serviced at the
> wrong layer in the stack. If you remember all the bugs in CMF which were
> fixed by Plone developent, you'll know what I'm taking about.
> --
> Sincerely,
> Chris Calloway
> http://www.seacoos.org
> office: 17-6 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
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